Not as true as the stereotype would have it - Public Domain

It’s possible to ponder what the hard sciences have told us. Gravity’s pretty cool, the second law of thermodynamics explains much about the human condition and so on. The social sciences, well, it is possible that Whitey’s Waacist! in an important thing to note but perhaps of limited subsequent practical use. There is though that one great finding of said social sciences, which is that all stereotypes are at some level true.

This doesn’t mean that Jews are all top hatted and exploitative bankers but the varied bans upon landholding in feudal societies did indeed mean that they were more likely to be intermediaries rather than primary producers. No, women aren’t all Barbie finding that math is hard but that odd and weird mindset suitable for – perhaps interested in – the wilder shores of programming and pure mathematics is more common in men than women. Male and female reactions to children do tend to differ – on average again.

Stereotypes aren’t true at the granular level, or not necessarily so. But they are an observation of the way the world appears to be which is the very way that they arise. It’s tautological – why would anyone think that West Africans were fast sprinters if it weren’t observably true that near all of the fastest sprinters in the world were of West African descent?

Which brings us to the joyous appearance of this:

A Royal Navy sailor who was supposed to be guarding the Edinburgh Military Tattoo was too drunk to perform duties after overindulging at a free lunch, a court martial heard.

Petty Officer Christian Ramsay, 39, was due to act as a guard at the tattoo, carrying out important ceremonial duties at the renowned event in front of guests.

However, PO Ramsay instead spent the ceremony being looked after by a Royal Navy colleague after he got “seriously drunk” at a military lunch.

At the lunch, which included senior guests from armed forces around the world, he “over-consumed” the free alcohol and became so drunk he “lost all self-control” and “embarrassed himself and his colleagues”.

A court martial heard yesterday that the sailor was “completely out of his head” and “swanned around” the reception “offending people”. He made distasteful jokes about rape to a female colleague, offensive remarks to a senior Indian military representative about his heritage, and told an offensive joke to US military personnel about the “USA’s history”.

Well done there, upholding the glorious reputation of the Royal Navy.

That stereotype of sailors being more drunken than others isn’t quite true of course, even if it is observably so. We only get to see the sailors when they’re ashore. That is, we see them on their Friday night on the town and it’s not obvious that their rate, level or incidence of drunkenness is any greater than that of any other group of young men at such a time.

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Chris
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Chris

“It’s tautological – why would anyone think that West Africans were fast sprinters if it weren’t observably true that near all of the fastest sprinters in the world were of West African descent?”

Because they’re not? East African is what you mean. I suppose this supports the stereotype that the English think all foreigners are the same.

So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

They are actually. East Africans do the long distance events. West Africans utterly dominate the sprinting. Usually of West Africa via Jamaica these days.

Hallowed Be
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Hallowed Be

shave his belly with a rusty razor.

Hallowed Be
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Hallowed Be

chris- muphry’s

Chris
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Chris

This is ture. Oops.

Bernie G.
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Bernie G.

I wondered how long it would take for someone to highlight this one… Sailors… Rum… D’oh! Unfortunately the stereotype broke down when HMS Cornwall strayed into Iranian waters.

Baron_Jackfield
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Baron_Jackfield

Regarding the concept of “Social Science”… If one may be permitted to pinch from and paraphrase Prof. Brignell – Putting “social” in front of “scientist” is the equivalent of putting “witch” in front of “doctor”.

Spike
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“Social” science is rather the same qualification as “social” work and “social” justice. It is less a meaningful word than a non-verbal cue to your listener that you don’t insist that words be meaningful.

jgh
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jgh

39 and a Petty Officer? Isn’t Petty Officer only one rank above Private (sort of)?

Bloke In Italy
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Makes one proud to be British.

rjb
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Put him in a boat until he’s sober.

rjb
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Put him in a barrel and roll him over.

rjb
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Put him in a bunk with the Captain’s daughter.

Anyone know any more verses?

Henry Crun
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Henry Crun

Stick him in the scuppers with a hosepipe on him

So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

A group of Indians just killed a guy fooling around that way with a hosepipe.

So it is important to note that the hosepipe may be jolly japes in the best tradition of the Navy, but don’t turn the water on.

Andrew M
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Andrew M

Over-indulging on free booze at age 19 is understandable; but at age 39 it’s just embarrassing.

So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

Yeah. Who does he think he is? The leader of the EU or something?

Bloke in North Dorset
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I wonder how many on that court martial are thinking “There but for the grace….”?

Hallowed Be
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Hallowed Be

rjb – put him in a dress and bend him over.

Tommydog
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Tommydog

Did they flog him?

jgh
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jgh

She’s got legs of different sizes.

firefoxx
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firefoxx

Social science: hmm.

I was once staying with a Prof of sociology and, as a scientist\engineer I asked sincerely what problems sociology has once-and-for-all solved. E.g. hard science has done gravity, disease, microchips, radio waves, etc. Even my ephemeral subject, Philosophy, has done some good stuff to stand the test of time (Ryle, Popper, Kuhn, Descartes).

Answer: definitely, definitively, all social problems are caused by inequality.

I probed for evidence but gave up rather quickly.

Southerner
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Last I looked, most of the papers listed at Retraction Watch were in sociology and psychology.

NiV
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NiV

“what problems sociology has once-and-for-all solved. E.g. hard science has done gravity, disease, microchips, radio waves, etc.”

Don’t think so. Gravity’s still hotly debated. Last time I looked, disease is still around. And they’re still working on chips and radio. Science is never settled.

Whereas the pre-eminent social science is of course economics!

I sneeze in threes
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I sneeze in threes

Warrant Officers are NCOs, you dont salute them and in the Andrew you can call them Chief but you have to add a comment that you like their big watch. You then get 28 days 9s.