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We really don’t. The idea that in the short period of three years the rape incidence is twice that of the lifetime incidence in the society as a whole? No, really, that’s not something we believe. That would mean that the incidence of rape on university campuses in the UK is 30 times that in the society at large. No, sorry, not believed:

A total of 4,500 students from 153 different UK institutions responded to the study – the first consultation of students on this issue in a decade. What it found was shocking: 62% of students and graduates have experienced sexual violence as per the definition used by Rape Crisis. Groping, harassment, unwanted touching, coercion, sexual assault, rape – all commonplace, it turns out, in UK universities. Shockingly, 8% of female respondents said they had been raped at university – double the 4% of all women in England and Wales that the Office for National Statistics estimates.

The ONS numbers are here. Lifetime incidence of self-reported rape upon females in the survey (note that this is not interactions with the legal system at all, most certainly not convictions) is indeed that 4% or so. This is for the 16-59 age group. Grossly too high we all agree.

The average time at university is a little longer than 3 years but let’s take that three as being the right number. We’ve a claim that rape (no, not sexual assault) is that 8% of all female students in those three years. Roughly enough that’s one fifteenth of the time period being measured by ONS. The reported incidence is twice. Thus the claim is that the incidence of rape at university is 30 times that outside in the society in general.

No, we don’t believe it. Sorry, we just don’t. Our best bet, and it is just a supposition or two, is as follows.

Firstly, the survey of students isn’t random nor properly weighted. This is self-reported, people deciding to do the survey or not. It’s not a surprise in such circumstances that those with a point to make answer surveys about said point. Secondly, the more modern definition of rape as described upon campus tends not to have all that close a relationship with the legal definition in a courtroom. Note that this isn’t a controversial point – the rape campaigners tell us this very thing when they complain that what they insist is rape is not so treated by the legal system.

We are absolutely certain that the incidence of rape at British universities is not 30 times that in the surrounding society. Thus we just do not believe these numbers – for good reason too. The claim is that it is climbing towards the world’s highest rape rate, that upon men in American prisons. Nope, not believable.

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I don’t believe the figures for rape in American prisons either. A total of 4,500 students from 153 different UK institutions responded to the study – the first consultation of students on this issue in a decade. What it found was shocking: 62% of students and graduates have experienced sexual violence as per the definition used by Rape Crisis. Groping, harassment, unwanted touching, coercion, sexual assault, rape – all commonplace, it turns out, in UK universities. Did they spam them all? In 2015 409,410 students were accepted into university. Let’s assume there are about a million of them all in… Read more »

So Much For Subtlety
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One particularly striking statistic from Revolt Sexual Assault’s study is that 56% of students believed that their experience “wasn’t serious enough” to warrant reporting. It’s important for students to be aware that any experience of sexual violence is worthy of time, attention and resolution. For the offender, that may not mean expulsion or prosecution, but help in learning how their behaviour is wrong and has affected others. Yes, the important thing, the one thing that matters, is punishing men. The rest is secondary. So lie to the women that they can denounce in good conscience because nothing serious will happen… Read more »

hal
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hal

“No, means No”. Yes of course it does. Except women are not allowed to say “yes”. A woman who says “yes” is called “slut” and “whore” and “slag”, and is shamed and shunned.

How many positive examples of a woman saying “Yes” can you provide? Fact or fiction, it doesn’t matter. I bet you can’t find one single example.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

Standard copycat marxist bullshit. Copied from the Yanks–as they always do. So it is supposedly more dangerous for female at Uni than being in African war zones.

Cockrot. Pure marxist feminist cockrot.

James
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James

Liberals have been in charge of universities for a long time now. If these figures really are true (which I don’t believe) wouldn’t it be a good idea to put conservatives back in charge?

Gamecock
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Gamecock

‘the first consultation of students on this issue in a decade’

Rilly?

Gamecock
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Gamecock

‘The Rape Crisis Center has been empowering survivors since 1975. We offer a continuum of care- from intervention to prevention and advocacy, including wrap-around resources.’

A crisis that has lasted over 40 years.

What, pray tell, is their ‘Final Solution?’

Tim Newman
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There was some survey the other day that claimed one in eight French women had been raped. If true, rape doesn’t seem to the traumatic, life-changing experience I thought it would be. But I suspect it’s not true.

Quentin Vole
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Quentin Vole

You have to understand that the definition of ‘rape’ has been extended to include consensual sex that is later deemed to have been an error of judgement. I’m not sure if that applies equally trans-manche.

Spike
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It would not be surprising if the university definition of rape – an encounter that the Crisis Center and Women’s Studies majors convince the student that she regrets, retroactively – would affect 4% of students taking the survey. Especially given that they knew the desired effect (advocacy not measurement of anything), and that most are schooled not to learn to do anything but to Change The World.

As with TimW’s articles on sex in Hollywood, along with sometimes-unwanted male initiatives, there is a fair amount of sometimes-unwanted female trading on sexual availability.

jwl
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jwl

My sister talks to her teenage daughter a lot about responsible drinking, especially when she goes away to university. My sis does not believe inflated rape stats either but what does happen at large parties and everyone is blind drunk is skeevy males can take advantage.

My sis had unpleasant experience at her first large university party, some guy she didn’t know was not taking no for an answer and she ended up punching guy in crotch and made a run for it. My sis tells my niece no excessive drinking when with strangers, which is just sensible advice.

BenS
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BenS

But in some quarters that would get you done for blaming the victim.

Quentin Vole
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Quentin Vole

“No excessive drinking” is generally good advice. Opinions on what constitutes ‘excessive’ may vary, however.

Bloke in North Dorset
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jwl,

Isn’t young men getting young women pissed at parties to increase their chance of getting their evil way the whole point of parties for young people? University parties have the added advantage of no crustiest around to keep an eye on them.

Hector Drummond
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“My sis had unpleasant experience at her first large university party, some guy she didn’t know was not taking no for an answer and she ended up punching guy in crotch and made a run for it.”

That sort of thing can happen at any party. It happens at Uni parties much, much less than anywhere else.

Hector Drummond
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Hey, I got an avatar with my own photo of myself on it, whereas the rest fo you all look like Terence and Philip versions of Guido Fawkes.

Pcar
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Pcar

This is self-reported, people deciding to do the survey or not.

+1

Shockingly, 8% of female respondents said they had been raped Whilst being a studentat university

Fixed the statement.

Why? eg
Many are raped every year in “The Meadows” when walking back to flat on dark winter nights. Not taking short-cut means walking three to four times further.

Similar applies to drunks staggering back to flat from nightclub via closes and wynds.