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There always was going to be some blowback for what we English have done to Ireland over the centuries and here it is over Brexit. Either the kingdom becomes un-united over customs, the law and regulation – the 6 counties stay in the EU effectively – or Britain itself may not leave. The correct answer to this conundrum is to do what we’ve been doing for much of the past millennium over the island. We lie.

The insistence is that there cannot be a hard border between Northern Ireland and Eire because this will breach not only the Good Friday agreement but also good manners and even basic common sense. There is no manner in which we’re going to build a wall across nor control in any useful way a dividing line which includes the Drummully Polyp. An area where the road crosses the border several times, unfortunately not in a way which connects a piece of the Republic with, well, with the Republic without having to pass through potential controls serially.

We have in recent times had a significant portion of the British Army trying to manage this sectioning of open fields and small streams – there are near no major geographical features to inform or defend – into different states. It didn’t work and it won’t again either.

M. Barnier and others insist that if the regulatory regime is to change at this line on the map then we must have a border, with customs posts, checks and limitations. If we are not to have what we cannot, an impermeable physical barrier to unfettered movement, then the regulatory and customs regime cannot change at Gortnacarrow and again at Clonacore. Effectively, our choice is Brexit or the Bogay Wall, towers, barbed wire and all.

Our answer should be “Yes.” We agree that we are leaving, that we have put in place that hard border. Then we do absolutely nothing above what we already do. People come and go as they wish, carrying what goods they can, and we do nothing. Except, as we already do, we keep an eye on those moving things on an industrial scale and have our little customs and tax chats with them away from that line on the map.

What other people wish to do on their side of that line is entirely up to them. We will do, as we’ve always done when in our right minds, what is useful and beneficial to us. It’s somewhat unfashionable these days to talk of the empire but it’s still true that we had it. Often because we’re rather good at this lying, cheating and dissembling. We should carry on. So, there’s the border, as it is today. And?

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Pat
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Pat

There’s a simpler solution. We simply tell them it’s our border, not theirs and we ain’t hardening it.
If Eire wishes to install a hard border and thus breach the Good Friday agreement that is a matter for them.
If the EU tries to impose a hard border on Eire we offer Eire our support.

James
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James

From what I can see it is Eire and the EU that is demanding a hard border, not the UK.

Of course if we do the sensible thing and implement unilateral free trade then we shouldn’t really care what people are brining across the border anyway.

HJ
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HJ

No, the EU is saying that they will decide because Eire has no freedom to make its own decision.

Nautical Nick
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Nautical Nick

Two thoughts occur to me. First of all, if Eire thought that a divided Ireland was better than the status quo, then it’s more than just economics, isn’t it? Secondly, if there are different taxes and different currencies and an open border, what’s so impossible about Brexit and open borders…?

Neil McEvoy
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Neil McEvoy

No need to lie. Unilateral free trade with the world. The EU can try to enforce customs barriers on the southern side if it feels it must. Then sit back with the popcorn.

Pcar
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Pcar

What Erik B said is correct

If Mad May imposes import tariffs then lie.

UK vs RoI
Different currency – we both manage OK
Different tax rules & rates – we both manage OK
Different excise rules & duties – we both manage OK
Different road traffic rules, laws & measurement units – we both manage OK

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btw There is nothing in Belfast Agreement about this, it’s EU lies to create a problem where none exists

jgh
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jgh

We could do what we did in the 1930s, Eire declared a trade war, we barely noticed, but declared one back, hiking tariffs on imports from Eire, Eire put tariffs on UK imports, but we never actually got around to actually enforcing it, Eire, short of money, grabbed all it could. Part of the trade war was due to levies that Irish farmers were paying on British land mortgages (sort-of). Ironically, the Irish government continued collecting these mortgage payments from the farmers, just pocketed the monies themselves. Ah ha! Let’s declare a trade war, collect lots of loverly import tariffis… Read more »

Bloke in Germany
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Bloke in Germany

What is Croatia, now in the EU, doing about the Neum gap? Pre-EU. the two border crossings with Bosnia were manned but everyone was basically waved through, the alternative being gridlock on the only road to southern Croatia.

Davy
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Davy

I rather thought that’s what everyone had sort-of agreed to do, until David Davis blew it up by saying it’d be resolved. I really didn’t get why he did that.