A re-run of the Know Nothing Party? - Public Domain

There’s a lot of speculation about the Special Counsel investigating Russia interference in the US electoral process in 2016 and subsequently. While it is clear that Russian interference took place, less clear is any involvement by American citizens.

Robert Mueller, who might have been lifted out of a comic book, such is his reputation for probity and diligence, has run into criminal activity by US citizens, although these alleged crimes mostly have little to do with his mission. But it’s getting close enough to the Trump administration to make Trump agitated.

If you look for a definition of ‘wide boy’ in my dictionary, there is no text–just a photograph of Donald J. Trump. His escapades during his climb to the status of self-proclaimed king of New York real estate, his adventures in the world of casinos, his love affairs and philandering, make it clear that were he British he would have been portrayed by Bob Hoskins, an actor I sorely miss, straight from the set of ‘Unleashed,’ where he more or less defined modern thuggery and perhaps served unintentionally as a role model for the current U.S. president.

It is increasingly obvious that Trump is worried sick that, regardless of any crimes committed in furtherance of Russian mischief, Robert Mueller is finding enough evidence of criminal activity during Trump’s long career to endanger Trump’s presidency.

Hence all the attempts to fire and discredit Mueller by Donald Trump. Trump may be able (just) to get away with axing Mueller. But probably not. So what happens next?

The obvious strategy has not been elaborated on by the media, so I’ll just lay it out here. The odds are quite good that the Democrats will gain control of the House of Representatives in November. As they are the body responsible for recommending articles of impeachment with regard to the president, it makes no sense at all for Mueller to report findings or issue strategic indictments (of  any of the Trumps, Jared Kushner, Jeff Sessions, et al) before the new House is sworn in in January.  Mueller is not interested in reporting on criminal activity–he wants results from this investigation, people in jail. So he probably won’t.

This doesn’t mean that he won’t indict minor players to show he’s still on the job. But it does mean that all three rings of this circus are likely to play for the rest of the year.

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Spike
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Mueller is running a Star Chamber, investigating the Russians, the dossier subsidized by Trump’s opponents, Trump’s family and friends and now Trump’s business organization. He and his team are Democrat holdovers and Republican Nevertrumpers. Their goal is to neutralize Trump, to run out the clock on policy until the focus is the next election, and to illegally leak scandal to the Washington Post and New York Times, who will take turns telling us what the evening’s national news is, overriding whatever Trump would like it to be. There have been no “attempts to fire” Mueller. A Special Prosecutor can only… Read more »

Tom Fuller
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Tom Fuller

Spike, you are aware that Mueller is a lifelong Republican, right?

Spike
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So is even Jeff Flake, probably. Lots of Card Carrying Republicans want to be free of the unpredictable Trump. And I am now aware that you self-identify (below) as a leftist, so I suspect that your factoid above, which goes to say, “But Mueller is on your side!” stands in lieu of actual analysis. Mueller is engaged in partisan sabotage of the administration.

Tom Fuller
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Tom Fuller

Jeff Flake is in fact a Republican. As is Mueller. Does it not give pause for thought when Republicans of long and good standing fear what Trump may do to their party, let alone their country? For it is my country too, and I am afraid of the damage Donald J. Trump is causing to it. Analysis is where you find it. You have plenty of company on this site and elsewhere that will provide comfort to your state of mind. It is not a sign of clear thinking when one rejects analysis based on perceptions of partisan affiliation–not of… Read more »

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

And you suck at the tits of a murdering bitch who put Libya to the slaughter.

And you like Killery as well.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

What a stunning refutation of my arguments. Or the best that you can manage.

And as for others being brainwashed FFS. It would be funny if it wasn’t tragic for you and the once great nation,

No –strike that bit–tragedy for you and all your leftist pals would be good news for America. And what is left of the sane world.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

Legions of scum on both sides are on the take and in the swamp chum. Including your mate the Piss-soaked Pipecleaner. Who was in the vile Cow’s corner even tho he hates her and Billyboy’s guts. But he knows that one of the scumbags going down puts the rest in danger. There are extensive connections between the Bush and Clinton crime families. The “womens candidate” was paid off by Saudi scum who treat women like shit. Not to mention the Haiti Heist. Oh wait–your lying scumbag pals at Scopes said she didn’t do it. So fuck those Haitian liars. The… Read more »

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

A professional lying scumbag.

And in addition one of the most corrupt and evil women ever to have lived.

Jack Hughes
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Jack Hughes

For it is my country too, and I am afraid of the damage Donald J. Trump is causing to it.

Given the election was a binary choice, do you think less damage would have been caused to the USA if Mrs Clinton had been elected?

And if so, why?

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

The GOP hierarchy are largely equivalent to BluLabour over here. Self-serving scum who are nearly as full of cultural marxist clichéd cockrot as their supposed leftist “opponents” across the floor of whichever rathole they are talking in.

The idea that bogus “conservatives” are in fact conservative –simply because they claim they are is another sick joke. And as bogus as males who claim they can become women by declaring that they have.

PJF
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PJF

“…and Republican Nevertrumpers.”

How many Republicans are on Mueller’s team?

Spike
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Judging by campaign contributions, Mueller’s investigators overwhelmingly favor Democrats. But their protectors, Comey and I thought Rosenstein, are registered Republicans (and notorious “straight arrows”).

PJF
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PJF

So on Mueller’s team (i.e. those appointed by Mueller) we have zero Republicans. 13 out of 16 are Democrats and the other 3 are unaffiliated.

Steve
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Steve

Robert Mueller, who might have been lifted out of a comic book, such is his reputation for probity and diligence, Lol. He’s a swamp creature just like curtain-twitching perjurer Jim Comey and his former deputy Andy McCabe, who thought it’d be a good idea to hold #Resistance meetings in his FBI office and lie to investigators. The first thing Mueller did on being appointed special counsel was to hire a boatload of partisan lawyers who had given money to the Hillary campaign. The senior ranks of the FBI are as crooked as a Jesuit’s conscience, because the US federal government… Read more »

PJF
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PJF

“Hence all the attempts to fire and discredit Mueller by Donald Trump.”

How many “attempts to fire Mueller” can you list, Tom? Slag off, sure, plenty. Legally and constitutionally, Trump can “fire” Mueller any time he likes (technically, instruct the Justice Department to shut down the investigation).

It strikes me that the ones agitated and worried sick are the past and present Obama era senior “deep state” officials who appear to have been very naughty indeed.

Recusant
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Recusant

Well, that was an embarrassing article.

Tom must have been reading his news upside down, because everything he claims as true is arse about face.

“Robert Mueller,……..his reputation for probity and diligence” Hahahahahaha…

Jack C
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Jack C

DRUMPF might not be a Russian spy, but he’s probably guilty of… something!

Trump has built things in both New York and Chicago. So I wouldn’t be totally surprised if he was guilty of bribing (Democrat) politicians.

So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

While it is clear that Russian interference took place, less clear is any involvement by American citizens. It is not clear that any Russian interference took place. Perhaps the Russians bought a trivial amount of Facebook ads. No more. Robert Mueller, who might have been lifted out of a comic book, such is his reputation for probity and diligence Ha ha ha. Oh wait, you’re serious? His reputation has taken quite a beating hasn’t it? has run into criminal activity by US citizens, although these alleged crimes mostly have little to do with his mission. Both of those statements are… Read more »

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

`Where did you acquire this Fuller character Tim? Alright he is working for nothing and is clearly worth every penny.

Economy and thrift are fine in themselves Tim but picking up dirty leftist driftwood out of the flotsam can give your nice beachfront property–ie a shack–woodworm.

Please scrape him off.

Mueller should have already been dragged to the White House for a literal good hiding. It would be good to see if he still remembers the “Defensive Tactics” shite they used to teach ’em at Quantico.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIg4yH7SXQw

Perhaps it’s as well Trump is President and not me.

Tom Fuller
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Tom Fuller

Mr. Ecks, you do have me pegged–I am a leftist, in the Bertrand Russell sense of the word. I make no apologies for my political leanings, as they are the result of real thought and effort over the years. In the climate conversation I am criticized by both extremes for being a Lukewarmer. Given the propensity of the Left to eat its own, if there are other leftists on this site I imagine that experience will be replicated. I’ll leave it to our host to decide if I will be appearing again on these pages. If so, I look forward… Read more »

Tim Worstall
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“I’ll leave it to our host to decide if I will be appearing again on these pages.”

Eh? As long as you don’t spam or commit actual crimes you’re welcome. We really believe in this free speech thing around here.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

If it took you years of thought and effort to lean into a socialism–a death cult that has murdered 150 million human beings so far and ruined the lives of hundreds of millions of others –then you have been wasting what passes for your life. You would be more gainfully employed as a toilet cleaner–ie getting rid of shite rather than helping it to spread everywhere.

Nor has time spent sharpened what passes for your wit. A Speak-Your-Weight machine could have handed in a more worthwhile and incisive analysis.

Spike
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Apart from the minor factual errors mentioned above, Tom Fuller’s thesis is not what should happen but what is going to happen, with which I agree. Tom is not a Trump backer, as I am, but that should be allowed. Boston talk host Howie Carr rubs elbows with Trump at MAGA Lago and says he has asked him why he doesn’t ditch Mueller, and Sessions if he won’t sign the paperwork. Carr says Trump shows anguish and replies that he has been told he can’t interfere. Probably even by the Chief of Staff. It’s been noted that Congressional Democrats are… Read more »

Rhoda Klapp
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Rhoda Klapp

Ecks, you are mean.

Tom, where do you stand on the path of collectivism>coercion>compulsion>concentration camp? All socialism relies on either that path or perfect human beings, it seems to me. Not to mention the other peoples’ money aspect.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

Not real socialism in other words.

And the Scandi’s. Jesus Christ. Talk about banality of evil.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

If they are blind it’s cos socialism gouged their eyes out.

I didn’t say you were a toilet cleaner. I suggested you should aspire to it.

Pcar
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Pcar

@Tom Fuller, March 19, 2018 at 5:20 pm
“For it is my country too, and I am afraid of the damage Donald J. Trump is causing to it.”

What damage?

Other than mooted tariffs, he’s doing a great job. Tariffs threats are a play to force others – inc EU – to lower theirs

Oh, you mean damage to the establishment & their swamp.

Pcar
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Pcar

Trump dossier author, Christopher Steele, has been ordered to conduct a videotaped deposition in a British suit. Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton says the Robert Mueller investigation is collapsing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir_jCLNz9ZE

Spike
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Pcar, neither this, nor the previous collapses of the Mueller investigation, refutes Tom’s thesis that Democrats will still flog it all the way through the midterm elections. The process is what dominates the nightly news, sucks the oxygen away from Trump’s agenda, and de-legitimizes his Presidency. Any resulting facts are irrelevant (except for the entertainment value of manufacturing “process-crimes”).

PJF
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PJF

“…Tom’s thesis that Democrats will still flog it all the way through the midterm elections.”

That’s your suggestion, Spike. Tom’s is that Mueller won’t report or indict on the major issues until after the midterms.

Steve
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Steve

How to tell a swamp is a swamp: FBI Director Jim Comey lied under oath and illegally leaked classified information. He’s not under investigation. Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin broke the law when she put classified emails on her sex predator husband’s laptop. She’s not under investigation. Hillary Clinton made hundreds of millions of dollars selling State Department access and favours to foreign dictators, set up an illegal email server in her bathroom to avoid FoI laws, deleted 30,000 emails after they were subpoenaed, had her aides smash up government phones with hammers to destroy evidence, and collaborated with… Read more »

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

They’re leftists Steve. It’s not like they are bad people or anything. BTW you left out the Toxic Twosome’s massive Haiti Heist. Most folk would get a bad back from just carrying that much cash.

BniC
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BniC

Regardless of views, the conclusion that they will hang this out until the house changes hands and they can go full three ring circus seems spot on, of course the issue is how they are going to drag it out for a year. In a sense we are back to the process as punishment, regardless of the outcome the entire has been a massive diversion

Pcar
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Pcar

@Tom Fuller, March 19, 2018 at 8:52 pm
“For it is my country too, and I am afraid of the damage Donald J. Trump is causing to it.”

Evasive reply: “Guess we’ll see, won’t we?”.

You state “is causing”, not might cause. Thus, again

What damage?

Other than mooted tariffs, he’s doing a great job. Tariffs threats are a play to force others – inc EU – to lower theirs

Oh, you mean damage to the establishment & their swamp.

Tom Fuller
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Tom Fuller

Well. I assign partial responsibility (I recognize that others, including Democrats, bear some of the blame) to the Trump administration for: 1. The DACA debacle 2. Worsening relationship with Mexico 3. A tax cut that favors the wealthy and large corporations 4. Appointment of an ideologue on the other side of the spectrum from what I prefer to the Supreme Court 5. Undermining our nascent version of the NHS–you here in the UK wouldn’t stand for it, would you now? 6. Dismissing Russian interference in the US electoral process 7, Passively (and occasionally actively) legitimizing white nationalists and racists 8.… Read more »

Ed Snack
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Ed Snack

I’m sure you would, but you show exceptional bias and a crass misunderstanding of the US political system. Gorsuch is not an ideologue as such, the real ideologues on the court at RBG and that “wise latina” who decide cases not on the law but on their prejudices. And as NiV says, there is publicly available proof of Russian collusion by the Clinton Campaign, but despite a year of earners enquiry zero evidence for any Trump campaign collusion. The Puerto Rico aid was purely a media beat up, I am however not surprised that you buy into it as it… Read more »

Jack C
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Jack C

10. is revealing. What do you mean by charging the taxpayer to play golf?

Isn’t that the just the cost of Presidential security? Besides, he’ll have to go some to outdo Obama on the golf front surely?

NiV
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NiV

1. As far as his base are concerned Trump won that one. I support the expansion of *legal* immigration, but democracy requires (within limits) we obey even laws we don’t like, so that everyone else will obey the laws we make that *they* don’t like. 2. About time. 3. And resulted in those corporations handing out large pay rises and employeeing more people. 4. That’s how the system is intended to work. Again, as far as his base is concern that’s a win. 5. Yes we would. 6. There was no Russian influence, unless you count FusionGPS’s Russian connections? 7.… Read more »

NiV
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NiV

I’m not sure if even all the people who support Trump have figured out how his PR strategy works. Mueller fits into it so perfectly, one might almost suspect it was deliberate. The image Trump seeks to project to his base is that of an indestructable rock unmoved by the battering of the storm-lashed ocean, of an impregnable fortress resisting a sea of berserker enemies, its commander shouting defiance at them from the ramparts. This image would be severely lacking without the storm. So he provokes it at every opportunity. The more hysterical his enemies get, with no effect on… Read more »

Pcar
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Pcar

@NiV, March 19, 2018 at 10:26 pm

Spot on. Are you Scott Adams?

PJF
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PJF

“…were he British he would have been portrayed by Bob Hoskins, an actor I sorely miss, straight from the set of ‘Unleashed,’ where he more or less defined modern thuggery and perhaps served unintentionally as a role model for the current U.S. president.”

Are you taking the piss? He’s a useless, derivative shite, that boy.

Manifestly, by far the most appropriate London agent for the righteous infliction of retribution by your nemesis is personified in this case by a much more ‘orrible cunt, Bricktop from “Snatch”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8DEzSBY0rE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L93DJbPQpkQ

You’re on thin fucking ice my pedigree chum. Go and put the kettle on.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

NiV–11.58 “Still borrrring!” And still fucking nerve coming from a windbag like you. “It’s the same old story every time.” The SJW-reared boy projects. The number of times you have spewed your transcrap at War & Pees length and you still have the gall to accuse others. “If anyone disagrees with you, you accuse them of being a socialist,” He said he was fuckwit. “you rant for a bit about how the socialists you oppose were totally, totally evil for murdering everyone who opposed them, and then explain in graphic, orgasmic detail exactly how you’re planning to murder them all… Read more »

BniC
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BniC

don’t forget Nazi was national socialist party…..the clue is in the name.
Though the adage of knocking them in an argument would seem to apply

Raffles
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Raffles

This has been a fantastic debate. It’ll be great if this site doesn’t become another Internet echo-chamber.

Please stick around & argue your corner, Tom (& you NiV).

NiV
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NiV

🙂

I plan to.

Ljh
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Ljh

Please make a word limit on comment, Tim. That way there’s less scrolling through NiV’s tedium to find a point and Tom’s swamp loyalism to see if he’ll admit any of Clinton, Abedin, Lynch, Holder, Comey, McCabe’s actions were at the least dodgy/abuses of power/undermining the integrity of arms of the state.

Pcar
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Pcar

@Tom Fuller “10. Charging the American taxpayer more than $90 million for his golfing hobby” Unlike Obama, Bush, Clinton….? Unlike Obama, Bush, Clinton…. Trump takes a nominal [iirc] $1 salary. His wife sacked most of Michael Obama’s staff and [iirc] has cut First Lady spend by >50% Then there’s this: Major Campaign Promise Fulfilled After Trump Hotels Made Over $100K From Foreign Gov’ts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IYfK7_croA As for $90 million for his golfing hobby – Trump reduced cost of new Air Force One by over $1 Billion dollars. You come across as a stereotype anti-Trump moon-howler. btw: “What Cambridge Analytica did, in… Read more »

PJF
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PJF

An actual non-conformist view on the subject:

https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/why-robert-mueller-has-the-safest-job-in-washington/

Only time will tell which view is realistic.

moqifen
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moqifen

i hope this site is not turning into the guardian. if i wanted to read an article by someone with trump derangement syndrome i would go to the motherload.

Pcar
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Pcar

@Tom Fuller, March 21, 2018 at 8:51 pm
“I forget if you’re BotBot number 1 or number 2, but your parroting of Russian talking points should win you a free meal from Cambridge Analytica. Enjoy!”

Thanks for that.

You vehemently revealed you:
– have a closed mind, do not tolerate questioning or debate and prefer your “safe space” to reality and facts;
– will resort to ad-hom insults when shown to be wrong

Candidly, I suggest you open your mind or ask Mr Tim to forbid comments on your delusional ramblings.

P

Pcar
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Pcar

@Tom Fuller

Is this morally acceptable for you?

Obama used regulations to enrich friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIEYR0qFxOw

&

Millionaire Democrats slam income inequality in America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAAIG2heXf0

Before you reply – surely one leads by example, not by copying what one defines as morally wrong? Thus, don’t divert by claiming some Reps did same; this is a question about your Dem fellows.

Pcar
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Pcar

Appears Tom Fuller has run away with his tail between his legs.

NiV
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NiV

Or just got bored.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

You are still here tho’ you 3 million word bullshiter you. And still a champion of brass neck.

Pcar
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Pcar

As per usual, typical left techniques from Tom:

– does not answer question

– diverts and makes more ad-hom accusations and insults

Mr Ecks, as you pointed out earlier, TF is embarrassing himself.

It would be amusing to observe how he fared on the Arrse Question Time thread.