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That a block of flats goes up in flames, many burnt to death as it does so, is not something to celebrate. Yet that simple observation also does not mean that we’ve got to sanctify all those who claim to have been harmed by the event. Indeed, given the outpouring of concern we need to be rather more observant about matters than less. Because:

Fifteen members of the same family are being investigated by fraud officers after receiving up to £1million in public funds by claiming they lived in a single flat in Grenfell Tower.

The Naqshbandi family, who are from Afghanistan, have been rehoused in at least three new homes in a luxury development furnished by John Lewis.

Well, yes.

Note that to express concern over this is not to then go on and insist that immigrants can or should be toasted without recompense. Nor even is it to make any comment about immigration at all. We do still need to examine claims of harm caused by the fire though and quite possibly be just a tad more cynical.

What we also don’t need is this sort of guff:

The UK government may have failed to comply with its international human rights obligations over the Grenfell Tower fire, which killed 79 people and left hundreds homeless, the United Nations’ housing investigator has said.

Leilani Farha, the UN special rapporteur on the right to adequate housing, told the Guardian she was concerned that international human rights standards on housing safety may have been breached, and could have been a factor in the causes of the tragedy last June.

She was concerned that residents had told her they had been excluded from decisions about housing safety issues before the fire and had not been engaged “in a meaningful way” by the authorities about their views and needs in its aftermath.

What does look remarkably like a scamster or 15 gains a million quid and this might be a breach of human rights? Perhaps we need to think up some word analagous to Brexit for that happy day when we also leave the United Nations?

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So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

The Naqshbandi family, who are from Afghanistan

Immigration – the gift that keeps on giving.

How many? All of them. Why are we paying for this? We can see our formerly High Trust society turning into a dystopian Low Trust sh!thole before our eyes and we do nothing.

Spike
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Immigration per se is not the problem. Immigration after being designated a member of a victim class (“refugee”) conveys impunity. Immigration under an Diversity Visa (under which the US implicitly admits blame for not admitting enough from your country earlier) obviates assimilation. Immigration through amnesty, on the grounds that enough other people violated the same border at the same time, suggests you can violate other laws. And immigration through the dishonest but cuddly “Dreamers” stereotype means there is not enough moral clarity in your new home nation to hold you to any standard. End all forms of coerced charity, and… Read more »

Twatting on Tim
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The definition of compassion is a feeling of deep sympathy and sorrow for another who is hurting, in pain, or has misfortune and is accompanied by a strong desire to help the suffering. Jesus Christ is the greatest example of someone with true compassion. Not only did Jesus have compassion and heal people from physical suffering, he also showed the greatest compassion for mankind when died on the cross for our sins. It’s not always easy to show compassion, especially when we feel like the person deserves their misfortune. These Bible verses about compassion teach us that it is a… Read more »

So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

So you posted the same bullsh!t cut and paste twice? With some moral preening at the start?

It is not compassion when you do it with other people’s money.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

The fault is increasingly Tim W’s for allowing Twatty to keep playing his game. No need to ban him as Murphy would in a nano-second–just delete the C&P crap he spews and leave his name over the empty space his mind actually is. Or above the two lines of shite that the Twat actually smeared from the shallow well of his native wit.

Unless Tim is Twatty–trying to provoke us to spend time to fisk Murphy’s ordure line by line on our own time and unpaid.

Spike
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No, even leaving his name posted, with its needless obscenity, will induce many visitors from the US Midwest to click away and blacklist the site from their kids’ surfing.

This cyber amusement park will not become self-funding if the new visitor encounters vandalism on every single wall.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

“will induce many visitors from the US Midwest to click away and blacklist the site from their kids’ surfing.”

I’m probably doing that all by myself Spike.

nrob
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nrob

“Labour Party promise to increase corporation tax from its current 19% for all companies to 21% for small companies and 26% for larger companies”

thus proving the national socialists don’t really have any idea what they are doing. i don’t know who’s more naive comrade corbyn or his acolytes.

Spike
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Oh my! Imagine the American cornucopia if Britain were to enact the direct opposite of the corporate tax cut Trump just pulled off. Aim for America’s old 35% rate and listen for that Giant Sucking Sound. There is, suddenly, competition for your best minds.

Southerner
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Why doesn’t GreaseMonkey’s Idiot Blocker work here? What blogging software are you using, Tim?

MC
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MC

Why don’t you just block the bell end? Overlong and off-topic is perfectly reasonable grounds for deletion and blocking.

Bloke in Cyprus
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I’m guessing that is is that twat Rickie posting Spud-U-Like’s shite in the hope of being banned and throwing another ‘poor me’ wobbly…?

Rhoda Klapp
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Rhoda Klapp

Ban him and tune out the squeals.

PF
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PF

When he checks his links (where traffic is coming from) I’m not convinced that Richard will be too appreciative of the latest addition to his fan club…

MC
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MC

Anyway, what many people claim is compassion is in fact moral cowardice. They are scared of making tough judgements because they have a childish need to be seen as ‘nice’. We do not need immigration except in the case of students, high value expat workers and to meet labour shortages. None of those groups need housing or anything more than a working visa. Any non-working public housing in London and any refugees who enter the country ought to be rehoused in the cheapest possible accommodation possible anywhere in the country and none of this ghetto-forming nonsense about needing to be… Read more »

Spike
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MC – Not even “to meet labour shortages.” (Compare G.W.Bush, “They are only doing the jobs Americans won’t do.”) On seeing a shortage, allow the pay scale to increase, and the shortage ends itself.

Yes, too, to housing them anywhere. Starting over in a new country should not come with a guarantee of comfort. Those settled in rural areas will get an earful, after any initial excuse-making, about how to become British, that they will certainly not get in London from their fellow “victims” or from tax-fattened social workers.

Steve
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Steve

My theory is that all “refugees” need to go back.

Southerner
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Refugees… there is a moral imperative to rescue fellow humans living in dire circumstances. The social cost of accommodating those refugees is a completely different issue.

Spike
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Certainly all that were admitted under a superficial criterion such as that they were living in a war zone. The trouble is that any case-by-case analysis will be done by bureaucrats for whom enlarging the welfare caseload is another important goal.

Steve
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Steve

Spike – that’s why I’d bypass the lachrymocracy and just kick them all out. Maybe privatise the process, with cash bonuses for every one they successfully put on a plane out of here.

We can’t keep letting the Third World dump its useless people on our shores. Mathematically, we literally can’t: there’s about 6 Billion of them, only 60 million of us, and we’re already deeply in debt.

If something can’t continue, it won’t.

Rhoda Klapp
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Rhoda Klapp

What I’d really like is for the council to check out every flat in the adjacent towers for overcrowding and subletting. Then deal with it, compassion be damned.

PF
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PF

I’m surprised there hasn’t been more inbound (and lots of melting) – we’ve seen that the Forbes model does indeed work! I guess too few people around here do stuff like twatface etc..

jgh
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jgh

After the Shek Kip Mei fire in 1953 the Hong Kong government entered the property market to rectify private sector failure, but the blocks put up were specifically capped at seven storeys to make fire-fighting possible – very much in people’s minds after the cause of the emergency entrance into housing provision. Looking at pictures of Grenfell fire water doesn’t seem to have been able to get above about five floors. As public housing provision, Grenfell is public sector failure, why should we expect the public sector to rectify it?

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

Like a phantom Goldilocks, chrome-domed cunt IDS has altered the rules on tax credits for folk trying to build a business. Such that less than income of up to £500 is too little and more than £600 is too much. In short –pretty much “Fuck off Whitey”. And yes I know some people on that benefit are fraudsters. But others have paid taxes for years and decades. And a big, big £2400 per year is just to much for the hard-pressed state to spare. Strangely tho’ the hard-pressed state can spare 1500 top 2000 a month for the rent of… Read more »

jgh
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jgh

Dunno about zero family reunions, would that have prevented me importing my wife from Hong Kong?

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

OK no real prob to import one wife and max of two kids. Max tho’.

If you have 10 kids then enjoy Hong Kong or wherever. And no other relatives. In the old days if you left your Dear Old Mammie behind–and/or your 30/40/50 relatives then–apart from pen and ink–that was that, you’d be seeing her/them in the Beyond.

So should it still be. If they are so missed the “misser” must move to them.

moqifen
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moqifen

Theres plenty of freeloaders. I read that those in temporary accommodation (b&bs and hotels) get £300 each per day for food. So a family of 15 would get £4500 per day or £31500 per week to feed themselves. A family of 4 would get £1200 per day. I know eating out in London can be expensive but not surely £300 per day. No wonder so many of them have refused permanent accommodation. I would and be saving hundreds per week (tax free) @jgh – let’s face if we got rid of the millions of muslims in this country our national… Read more »

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

As much as I agree with your overall point Moqifen £300 per day per person for food seems excessive even for the shite useless gutless British state. They cost us enough but not that much. Were that true the bill would be unpayable even by the FFC and her gang. Say 5 million migs arrived in the last 10 years . Being generous say 2 mil working –mostly EEs. So 3 mil times £300 a day would be £900,000,000 a day for food alone. For a year that would be £328,500,000,000 on migrants din-dins alone. Even the vile CM scum… Read more »

Southerner
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This is the kind of one hundred per cent accurate logical article that got you kicked off Forbes, Tim. Now you have your own page but its survival depends on advertisers, some of whom may withdraw support if you keep on trying to be as inflammatory as possible. Next time you get a rush of blood to the head, take the dog for a walk down to the corner caff and chill a little. Roald Dahl used to love telling these stories about clever people whose own cupidity shafted them.

Spike
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I’ll file that comment in the same bin with everyone telling Trump he really must stop Tweeting if he wants to seem “respectable.”