If you thought people didn't want it then why would you try to ban it? Credit - McDonald's Corporation

A certain puzzler here from the pen of Ms. Laurie Penny. She’s going along with the currently fashionable idea that no one should ever talk to populists, they shouldn’t be debated, the media should pay them no mind, because reasons. As with Owen Jones earlier and his insistence that the nasty people who don’t agree with him really should never gain that oxygen of publicity. About which I said:

That Corbynite free lollipops for everyone promise is in direct competition for the support of exactly those same people that “far right” is chasing with stories of Heimat. The white British working class, exactly the group in play as an electoral base at present.

Owen Jones just wants to ban the competition. How liberal of him, eh?

Ms. Penny is making the same claim, advancing the same insistence. These people don’t agree with me, how dare anyone take them seriously?

However, within that grossly illiberal demand is this little puzzler:

The left is catastrophically losing the PR battle in the marketplace of ideas. Inviting someone like Steve Bannon to your conference about how to build a free and open society is a little like inviting Ronald McDonald to your convention on solving world hunger.

Why wouldn’t you ask Ronald? Or at least people from the corporation whose advertising icon he is, McDonald’s? After all, concerning the alleviation of world hunger they seem to do more of it than just about anyone else, feeding as they do some 69 million people a day. Maybe the Indian Railways feed more, or the Chinese Peoples’ Liberation Army, they both seem to do more of everything than anyone else. But someone who knows how to get fresh (-ish) food, non rotting and at least warmish in front of 69 million people a day has something to say about curing world hunger, surely? Even if you don’t think burgers are the solution that logistics chain is going to be of some use as an example?

And actually that’s true too. We currently grow enough food on the planet to feed everyone on the planet. It is the distribution of it before it rots that is the problem. That being the very problem which logistics chains solve and it’s supermarkets and restaurant chains that know about those.

Ronald McDonald isn’t the last person you’d ask about world hunger, the corporation is one of the first in fact. But then Laurie just tosses off this obviousness because to her it is obvious. She doesn’t like Maccy D’s therefore it’s of no use, contains no knowledge she should be aware of. Nor anyone else, clearly.

Which is, of course, why her views on no platforming anyone else for whatever reason need to be rejected. She doesn’t know what she’s talking about, does she? But then, you know, Laurie….

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Spike
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McD’s, unlike the PLA and India Rail, depend on all of those 69 million (maybe not those riding in the back seat) CHOOSING to eat there.

No, we would not turn to McD, nor Monsanto nor Walmart. Let’s let Oxfam “solve” world hunger — always through proposals that unrelated others have their earnings stolen and be forced to partly curtail their lives.

In five weeks, the world will have another test whether it is persuasive to disparage achievers. (Joe Biden has just turned Hillary’s “deplorables” to a word within his own grasp, “dregs.”)

Spike
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PS — Now leaving Laurie’s metaphor and going back to what prompted it: Steve Bannon is one of many impresarios-for-Trump who specialize in creating headlines and had varying success fitting in an Administration where one might attract controversy by not having one’s tie straight. In other words, he is likely to have excellent ideas about “building a free and open society” or at least might lead to a free and open conference. But he is one of “society’s dregs.” Can the left get past its own name-calling?

Rhoda Klapp
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Rhoda Klapp

Here’s a suggestion. There is no world hunger, because World is not the level of granularity at which responsibility can be allocated. City, County, Nation, family or individual are the levels at which hunger should be addressed. Ronald McD is doing that. NO world organization is, or indeed could.

Spike
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Hear hear! the World does not have a stomach, nor pangs when it is empty; nor a World heritage nor a World health. These constructs simply support the imposition of new, victimless crimes over wider populations by people less acquainted with them.

john77
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john77

There are two arguments here: McDonalds serves food that has two many calories per unit of protein so it encourages lazy people to succumb to obesity and secondly that McDonalds is a horrible capitalist organisation so it should be blackballed. [My personal objection to McDonalds is that it takes decent food and spoils the taste – the sausages that we usialy somewhat burnt over our Scout campfires tasted a damn sight better than a McD hamburger – but Laurie Penny’s career has been so tastelessthat I cannot assume that she has any tastebuds or, if she has, that she allows… Read more »

Spike
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Not only do you know you won’t get food poisoning even at most improperly-run McD’s, you know exactly what your food will taste like. This doesn’t mean it’s the best anywhere, and it does indeed require that it be toward the middle of the taste Bell Curve. As for those “lazy people” (Joe Biden’s “dregs”), they chose it. Sugar and grease taste good.

Not only are the McDonald Brothers gone, but Ray Kroc (to whom they sold out) has not been coming down for Egg McMuffins for 34 years.

Hallowed Be
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Hallowed Be

Right. And where there are local food hygiene inspections. McDs will get full marks or replace the manager.