If Nazi signs are banned then why not this? Credit - public domain appropriately enough for all property is theft.

A useful little test of logical consistency here. If it is true that Nazi symbols and memorabilia should be banned then why shouldn’t the Hammer and Sickle also be banned? If it is true that the Nazi stuff should not be legally banned but still should be entirely socially repudiated then why isn’t that true of that other symbol of murderous dictatorship? Or even, why shouldn’t it be true?

The obvious enough answer being that all too many people are still quite happy with the idea of eliminating the bourgeois while the anti-semitism is limited to only that part of the hard left which is in the Labour Party. But that’s not logic, that’s just observation:

Lithuania on Friday urged American retail giant Walmart to stop selling T-shirts and hoodies with Soviet hammer and sickle symbols, insisting the image insults victims of often deadly Soviet-era persecution.

“We sent a letter to Walmart requesting the withdrawal of products with Soviet symbols and we are still waiting for a reaction,” Lithuanian ambassador to the US Rolandas Krisciunas said.

The hammer and sickle symbol is banned in Lithuania, a European Union member of 2.9 million that was the first republic to secede from the Soviet Union as it began to crumble in 1990.

The Baltic state’s foreign minister Linas Linkevicius tweeted: “You wouldn’t buy Nazi-themed clothing, would you?

Of course, there will be all too many who insist that it’s very different indeed. Not exclusively those who have a Che Guevara poster in a manner they simply wouldn’t have a Rudolf Hoss one. Because, you know, reasons.

The thing is though, well, tens of millions killed either way. And why is it morally different to be shot because your father was a bourgeois kulak or gassed because your mother was a Jew? Answers on a postcard to Jezza….

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MrYan
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MrYan

Logical consistency is sadly missing from the ‘left’. That is all…

Quentin Vole
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Quentin Vole

in a manner they simply wouldn’t have a Rudolf Hoss one

He was very good in Bonanza, though 🙂

Spike
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Banning these images doesn’t even fall under the usual (dodgy) categories we use to ban utterances. They are not “fighting words,” they are not the N-word (whose only problem is that it is not used to communicate but is the one word most likely to enrage certain people). The apparel is used to make a counterculture fashion statement involving (now-)unthinkable inhumanity. Goth grade-school culture, and roller derby, is full of this. You would not wear it if it really communicated. Images don’t “insult the victims,” any more than it was necessary to raze an elementary school in Sandy Hook, Connecticut… Read more »

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TD

Not that I would ever wear it (my dad served on bomber crews over Germany), but so far as I’m aware Nazi stuff is not banned in the US. Perhaps in other countries. I guess I reckon Lithuania has a perfect right to make such a request of Wal Mart and Wal Mart has a perfect right to accept or reject it as they wish. The big difference between Soviet and Nazi symbols are twofold 1) the Americans and Brits don’t have war time memories of fighting a vicious war against the Russkies, and 2) many on the left greatly… Read more »

Spike
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Well said. Yes, the Nazis killed because you were a member of group x, and we are against groupism (even while taking refuge in our own groups). We are not against merely breaking a few million eggs/skulls for the perfect omelet. And Che was simply a Cool Cat in that beret. What wearing this stuff says about them is that they value fashion way over analysis. But a lot of other things say that about them. See the US Senate Judiciary Committee just now. More problematic: Macy’s selling “Don’t Snitch” T-shirts (Don’t Cooperate With Police) beloved in black neighborhoods of… Read more »