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The insistence that we’re all bisexual really is being taken as some great revelation about the human condition. Whereas, among those who have met actual humans and considered their behaviour, it’s very old hat indeed.

No, this is not to say that we’re all equally likely to be wandering Hampstead Heath in search of a little cottaging. But a useful definition of near all humans is that we’re really, really, interested in sex. Because, and for pretty much no other reason, we’re descended from those who were really, really, interested in sex. That being how this evolution thing works. Yes, of course, only one variety of sex leads to that progeny but the drive, the over-ridding one, is for the sex, not the form.

There is no explaining public schools nor prisons – to the extant that I am not repeating myself – without grasping this point:

Strictly heterosexual people don’t exist, according to a psychologist who claims more and more men are better defined as ‘mostly straight’.

While most societies promote heterosexuality as the ‘norm’, a leading researcher at Cornell University has found most of us get aroused by both genders.

The paper brings into question strict definitions of sexuality, and posits that instead of categories we should see it as a spectrum.

If there is no such thing as pure heterosexuality then there’s also no such thing as pure homosexuality. Something that is less likely to be said these days given social fashion but they are in fact the same statement. Human sexuality is that spectrum, we all lie at different points along it and our position at any one moment in time depends upon the opportunities available to us. Some will choose one thing more than another but change the incentives and we will, as with near all other things humans do, change the behaviour.

Entirely male societies do have more incidence – sorry, often do – of male on male sex than more gender mixed ones. We would assume the same of all female ones.

Note that the existence of this spectrum still allows for something like the vast majority not to act out in anything other than a heterosexual manner. For given the incentives we do have in the society around us people do tend to end up doing what they prefer rather than being driven by circumstance into something they’re not all that keen upon. The usual numbers are that some 10-12% of all men have ever had a same sex experience. Thus, despite agreeing upon the existence of the spectrum we’re also saying that 90% of men are, in action, heterosexual.

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Hallowed Be
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Hallowed Be

also aren’t there a few gay porn actors who insist they’re not gay.

T
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T

Fairly sure I read somewhere that wannabe porn actors (the men at least) often start out in gay porn – can’t remember why: it was either the only way in or it was that the pay is better than being a male actor in boy/girl scenes.
Either way, there were practical considerations in straight male actors going “Gay for pay”

Dongguan John
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Dongguan John

I guess it’s just a job to them. I can’t imagine doing porn is as enjoyable as real sex. I assume they’re always being stopped and repositioned and whatnot for the scene.

Bloke on M4
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Bloke on M4

It pays a lot better. There’s simply a lot more men that would like to spend all day fucking women than fucking men. There’s also much more emphasis on looks. The viewers of straight porn are generally men and don’t care what the man looks like. The viewers of gay porn want to see attractive men. So, the top men make a good living at it.

Tim Newman
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also aren’t there a few gay porn actors who insist they’re not gay.

Yes, there’s a Norwegian guy who does it who isn’t gay. Pal of mine went to school with him.

Hallowed Be
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Hallowed Be

well yes but my cognitive dissonance can only be dealt with by imagining that on the spectrum he’s still more rainbow than monochrome.

So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

Well the spectrum thing may or may not be true, but it is beside the point. By pushing the concept of bisexuality they are making a political point. They are trying to make heterosexuality abnormal and probably, in the end, illegal.

So they should f**k right off.

The fact that some people, in the absence of women, will turn to other alternatives means nothing. And it certainly does not mean we are all bisexual.

Rob
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Rob

“The fact that some people, in the absence of women, will turn to other alternatives means nothing. And it certainly does not mean we are all bisexual.”
I suspect that the above is 100% correct. Certainly, given the (ever handy) “do-it-yourself” alternative, an absence of suitable and willing gay men has never made me the least bit inclined to seek sex with females.

Baron_Jackfield
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Baron_Jackfield

Well, I am for certain… At my age and ugliness the only way that I can get sex is to buy it!

Spike
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The “LGBTQ community” are always looking for factoids like this to assert that their tendencies are innate, their choices are not-a-choice, and they cannot be held to account for their own conduct.

T
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T

Regardless of your own sexuality, why should someone be “held to account” just for being gay? Someone being gay, straight or anything inbetween is no business of yours.

So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

Because being Gay is an intrinsically disordered lifestyle. Hence Gay people usually have problems. Hence everyone else will judge them.

Hence they will hysterically try to silence everyone and their natural response.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

What does the T stand for “T”? It wouldn’t be Twatty would it?

Nah– anyway as your post admits you wouldn’t have the balls for a “straight” fight without hiding behind the Spud-U-Like or pathetic tricks like trying to pretend you are me.

The nightmare that is socialism has amongst its ranks some of the worst scum the so-called human race has ever produced. But most of ’em are gutless little turds and wannabe back shooters like Twatty.

T
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T

I literally have no idea what you just said.

For the record, I’m a straight man.
I’m just not petrified of gay people.

Spike
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they cannot be held to account for their own conduct

No, “T”, not their conduct in their own bedrooms, their conduct in the auto showroom when they insist on showing up in a dress and repelling customers because they are merely exhibiting their innate tendencies which we all share in trivial amounts, and the state must protect them from being told they are not fit for that job.

T
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T

Are you… are you saying all gay people are transvestites?
Loool

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

Odd then”T” that “Twatty” disappears but you emerge at the same time.

Of course it would be beyond stupid to choose T as your new nom-de-deceit but Twatty was nothing if not stupid.

And a arsehole just like his friend Richard Murphy.

Gamecock
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Gamecock

Point of order:

‘male on male sex’

If it’s male on male, it’s not really sex.

T
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T

Do you insist people call oral sex fellatio too? Y’know, to preserve the point of order?

Gamecock
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Gamecock

Insist?

jgh
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jgh

I don’t know if it is still as such, but when English divorce law had to define grounds of “adultery” it did give a legal definition of “sex”, it being “insertion of a penis into a vagina”. Full stop. Nothing about manipulation, orgasm, ejaculation, other orafaces or anything else, just that simple insertion.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

More marxist subjectivist cockrot.

How could these pundits have any exact knowledge of what they claim? It might be true for leftist scum. But should all the rest of us be judged by the standards of the adherents of a murderous , mind-warped and evil death cult?

Deprived of women some males will turn homo. Most–ie the vast majority– won’t . The claims are just propaganda designed to corrupt and weaken moral standards.

Propaganda however that will be thrown out the window double quick while they are trying to suck up to their imported pals.

Dongguan John
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Dongguan John

It’s the gay propagandists that don’t like that idea. They like to call anyone who has ever even experimented with homosexuality a LGBTQWERTYFAG to make it appear they’re more represented than in reality. It’s the same with ‘BAME’ or whatever. “Obama is half white” said no leftie identity politics nutter ever.

Bloke on M4
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Bloke on M4

“Strictly heterosexual people don’t exist”

I am. I’ve never wanted my cock or arse to be touched by another man (except medically) or vice versa. Not even when I’m ill, blind drunk or high as a kite. And I’m as libertarian as it comes in this area. You want to get together and have orgies where you sand each others bollocks (anyone remember that prosecution?) go right ahead. Just shut the curtains.

Watchman
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Watchman

Some men fancy other men. Get over it. Some men start to fancy other men if there are no women around. Get over it. Some men find the idea of men fancying men abhorrent. Get over it. Presumably some men who find the idea of men fancying other men abhorrent will start to fancy other men if no women are around. Get over it. And some men find men who find men who fancy other men abhorrent to be even more abhorrent. But you can get over that too… In summary there’s a lot of different secular reactions and responses… Read more »

Spike
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No, it is because you are a name-caller. I do not object, and have not been objecting, to anyone’s sexuality; merely to their call for special political rights, and the techno-babble they generate to justify it, such as the claim that their choices are not really choices.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

You are a bigot Watchman. It is just that your bigotry is on trendy, SJW arse-kissing lines that’s all.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

Oh Yeah–Murphy is a turd.

Nearly forgot my own authentication.

So Much For Subtlety
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So Much For Subtlety

If SMFS or Spike want to be a twat and object to other people’s sexuality in a stupid fashion then that’s fine.

I am not objecting to anyone’s sexuality. Not in any fashion. I am pointed out the objective facts – homosexuality is a disordered life style and hence the people doing it are more likely to be disordered themselves.

Nothing I do or say will change that one little bit.

Watchman
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Watchman

Bloke on M4,

If it’s their property surely it’s up to them if the curtains are open?

Bloke on M4
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Bloke on M4

I suppose so. OK, I don’t want men sanding each others balls on the beach.

Steve
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Steve

“While most societies promote heterosexuality as the ‘norm’, a leading researcher at Cornell University has found most of us get aroused by both genders.” Eh, nah. Do societies “promote” heterosexuality as the “norm”? Or do the vast majority of people just recognise normality for what it is? As for most people feeling randy about both genders, this would seem to be nonsense: Men’s eyes dilated watching women masturbate, and watching men masturbate – regardless of their stated sexual preference. Obviously this means we all secretly want to bum Elton John, according to Professor Ritch C Savin-Williams, the author of “MOM,… Read more »

Spike
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Concur. Nudity and sexual activity (other than one’s own) is shockingly unusual to see. The fact that a view caused eyes to dilate says nothing about one’s preferences. I react viscerally to violence on the silver screen but that doesn’t mean I fancy committing some. A “researcher at Cornell University” may well have an advocacy agenda.

Spike
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Especially “a psychologist specializing in gender studies” with a book to sell. And, in Straight People Don’t Exist, New Research Says – Broadly, he seems to have proven a negative.

jgh
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jgh

You can’t “promote” a norm, a norm is what exists in the absence of any promoting. They’re confusing what “promote” means and also confusing what “norm” means (and it isn’t a synonym for “normal”).

Pcar
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Pcar

“…a leading researcher at Cornell University has found most of us get aroused by both genders.”

I don’t – females only.

Ladyboys? Only until the dangly bits made known.

NiV
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NiV

It’s pretty much like saying that “People who don’t like eating insects don’t exist” on the basis that when anyone is on the verge of starvation after three or four weeks with no food, those insects start looking pretty damn tasty. It depends on context.

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

Not eating=death
Not shagging= ?bad mood/shouting at the dog?. The urge to screw often fades with age anyway. Eating kind of….. doesn’t.

Hardly equivalent.

Even that fat fuckbucket R Murphy knows this.

NiV
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NiV

So, you’re saying there’s heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, and asexual? That’s very rainbow of you. 🙂

Mr Ecks
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Mr Ecks

You should have left the electronic brain enhancement alone NiV. It hasn’t helped you.

Getting it done on the cheap in Knotty Ash also wasn’t one of your better ideas.

NiV
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NiV

Have you been taking hallucinogens again, Ecksy?

jgh
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jgh

SJW: Argh!!! You’ve said there’s only two genders. Burn Him!
Language pedant: Argh!!!! You’ve confused sex with gender. Burn Him!

BniC
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BniC

If seeing male genitalia or representations of them is a turn off it does limit the types of porn available, the fact you don’t mind them doesn’t make you gay though